Help cannot start my citron relay

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  • #106625
    APACHE
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    Hi Bit of help please Just come to start my van Citron relay let the heater plug light go off as normal. has i turn the key she just started to fire up as normal but i let the key go i think to soon and she cut out now she will not start everything else works fine its just dead when i turn the key. I have checked the main fuse,s in the glove box and all is ok

    #121429
    Darren
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    Is there any noise from the
    Is there any noise from the engine when you turn the key to try and start it?

    #121430
    Darren
    Keymaster

    Is there any noise from the
    Is there any noise from the engine when you turn the key to try and start it?

    #121433
    Darren
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    Is there any noise from the
    Is there any noise from the engine when you turn the key to try and start it?

    #121434
    APACHE
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    Hi Darren no noise other than
    Hi Darren no noise other than a little click from under the dash ?

    #121436
    APACHE
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    Hi Darren no noise other than
    Hi Darren no noise other than a little click from under the dash ?

    #121440
    APACHE
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    Hi Darren no noise other than
    Hi Darren no noise other than a little click from under the dash ?

    #121439
    Darren
    Keymaster

    So the clicking from under
    So the clicking from under the dash is probably the starter relay.
    Did the battery sound like it had a lot of juice in it when you first started it?

    #121442
    Darren
    Keymaster

    So the clicking from under
    So the clicking from under the dash is probably the starter relay.
    Did the battery sound like it had a lot of juice in it when you first started it?

    #121446
    Darren
    Keymaster

    So the clicking from under
    So the clicking from under the dash is probably the starter relay.
    Did the battery sound like it had a lot of juice in it when you first started it?

    #121445
    APACHE
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    Yes Batterys fine just found
    Yes Batterys fine

    Have just found this its the same as almost

    I went to start the van yesterday, it turned over for less than a second, then nothing, it did not fire up. There after no clicking or anything from the starter motor (as if a fuse had gone). Call the AA, he checked the fuses they were okay, he tried to get a live from the second terminal on the starter, and got nothing, so we tried a direct feed from the battery and also got nothing. In the end he said starter motor and we bumped it so i could get home. (nice guy, but no 100% confident with him, so take the above with a pinch of salt)
    Today I fitted the new starter motor £150, and exactly the same problem is still happening, although there was one ‘appearance’ of what sounded like a few clicks, which was either the starter or a shorting wire sound.
    The battery is also a few months new, so its not the battery

    Anyone got any ideas.
    One thought was immobilser, as it has both factory and a Toad installed, although the factory one lights go out on the dash board to say its working and once bumped it does work. I am not sure if it is a fuel cut out or starter cut out and more important how to find and test it.
    The toad alarm side also seems to work, the remote opperates the doors etc and over rides the factory one, as far as I can tell it too works. It does say in the manual it should have 2 fuses in line for this alarm and I have removed the interior and traced the wires as best possible but found no fuses. Besides if the fuse had popped, surely the alarm would no function doors and lights etc, as the fuses are incoming protectors?

    Additional Details
    AA just done a second visit, and checked earth and live and ignition live to motor all are working fine.
    They seem to think its the new starter motor is faulty aswell…
    Anyone offer any tests on how to test the starter motor?

    The other thing to check is the ignition relay as the citroen relay has an ignition relay and if it is faulty this will cause your problem

    Check the earth strap between engine & chassis or engine & battery.
    I can’t see it being an immobiliser fault, as sending a live feed to the starter would cause the starter to engage regardless.
    If you have jump leads, use one of them & connect one end to the battery negative & the other end to a good earth point on the engine (the lifting hook on the top is a good place). If the van then starts, you have a faulty earth.

    Have you tried the suggestion about providing an earth from the battery directly to the engine block?
    If so, then you can try using the other jump lead to run straight from the starter live terminal to the battery. If it still won’t start then when you short the solenoid to the motor terminal, then yes, the new starter’s faulty, but I seriously doubt it.

    #121448
    APACHE
    Participant

    Yes Batterys fine just found
    Yes Batterys fine

    Have just found this its the same as almost

    I went to start the van yesterday, it turned over for less than a second, then nothing, it did not fire up. There after no clicking or anything from the starter motor (as if a fuse had gone). Call the AA, he checked the fuses they were okay, he tried to get a live from the second terminal on the starter, and got nothing, so we tried a direct feed from the battery and also got nothing. In the end he said starter motor and we bumped it so i could get home. (nice guy, but no 100% confident with him, so take the above with a pinch of salt)
    Today I fitted the new starter motor £150, and exactly the same problem is still happening, although there was one ‘appearance’ of what sounded like a few clicks, which was either the starter or a shorting wire sound.
    The battery is also a few months new, so its not the battery

    Anyone got any ideas.
    One thought was immobilser, as it has both factory and a Toad installed, although the factory one lights go out on the dash board to say its working and once bumped it does work. I am not sure if it is a fuel cut out or starter cut out and more important how to find and test it.
    The toad alarm side also seems to work, the remote opperates the doors etc and over rides the factory one, as far as I can tell it too works. It does say in the manual it should have 2 fuses in line for this alarm and I have removed the interior and traced the wires as best possible but found no fuses. Besides if the fuse had popped, surely the alarm would no function doors and lights etc, as the fuses are incoming protectors?

    Additional Details
    AA just done a second visit, and checked earth and live and ignition live to motor all are working fine.
    They seem to think its the new starter motor is faulty aswell…
    Anyone offer any tests on how to test the starter motor?

    The other thing to check is the ignition relay as the citroen relay has an ignition relay and if it is faulty this will cause your problem

    Check the earth strap between engine & chassis or engine & battery.
    I can’t see it being an immobiliser fault, as sending a live feed to the starter would cause the starter to engage regardless.
    If you have jump leads, use one of them & connect one end to the battery negative & the other end to a good earth point on the engine (the lifting hook on the top is a good place). If the van then starts, you have a faulty earth.

    Have you tried the suggestion about providing an earth from the battery directly to the engine block?
    If so, then you can try using the other jump lead to run straight from the starter live terminal to the battery. If it still won’t start then when you short the solenoid to the motor terminal, then yes, the new starter’s faulty, but I seriously doubt it.

    #121452
    APACHE
    Participant

    Yes Batterys fine just found
    Yes Batterys fine

    Have just found this its the same as almost

    I went to start the van yesterday, it turned over for less than a second, then nothing, it did not fire up. There after no clicking or anything from the starter motor (as if a fuse had gone). Call the AA, he checked the fuses they were okay, he tried to get a live from the second terminal on the starter, and got nothing, so we tried a direct feed from the battery and also got nothing. In the end he said starter motor and we bumped it so i could get home. (nice guy, but no 100% confident with him, so take the above with a pinch of salt)
    Today I fitted the new starter motor £150, and exactly the same problem is still happening, although there was one ‘appearance’ of what sounded like a few clicks, which was either the starter or a shorting wire sound.
    The battery is also a few months new, so its not the battery

    Anyone got any ideas.
    One thought was immobilser, as it has both factory and a Toad installed, although the factory one lights go out on the dash board to say its working and once bumped it does work. I am not sure if it is a fuel cut out or starter cut out and more important how to find and test it.
    The toad alarm side also seems to work, the remote opperates the doors etc and over rides the factory one, as far as I can tell it too works. It does say in the manual it should have 2 fuses in line for this alarm and I have removed the interior and traced the wires as best possible but found no fuses. Besides if the fuse had popped, surely the alarm would no function doors and lights etc, as the fuses are incoming protectors?

    Additional Details
    AA just done a second visit, and checked earth and live and ignition live to motor all are working fine.
    They seem to think its the new starter motor is faulty aswell…
    Anyone offer any tests on how to test the starter motor?

    The other thing to check is the ignition relay as the citroen relay has an ignition relay and if it is faulty this will cause your problem

    Check the earth strap between engine & chassis or engine & battery.
    I can’t see it being an immobiliser fault, as sending a live feed to the starter would cause the starter to engage regardless.
    If you have jump leads, use one of them & connect one end to the battery negative & the other end to a good earth point on the engine (the lifting hook on the top is a good place). If the van then starts, you have a faulty earth.

    Have you tried the suggestion about providing an earth from the battery directly to the engine block?
    If so, then you can try using the other jump lead to run straight from the starter live terminal to the battery. If it still won’t start then when you short the solenoid to the motor terminal, then yes, the new starter’s faulty, but I seriously doubt it.

    #121451
    APACHE
    Participant

    update
    Sorry All i forgot to up date this eveything is fine with the van now it was a loose wire near the starter motor

    #121454
    APACHE
    Participant

    update
    Sorry All i forgot to up date this eveything is fine with the van now it was a loose wire near the starter motor

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