Buying and Selling

When buying any camper look out for...

• Rust, particularly on the bottom 6 inches all around...
• Rust on chassis box sections
• On front and rear outriggers
• On roof guttering, sills, wheel arches
• On floors in front of the rear wheels
• Behind front seats
• Under cover plates which can hide a horror story of trapped moisture and rust

Be careful of campers with suspension lowered to make them look cool...

• The ride can be harsh
• Visibility is reduced
• You can't crawl underneath to do repairs

Check the engine carefully...

• Oil leaks near the gearbox flange usually mean an 'engine out' job
• In gearboxes listen for bearing whines
• Check all gears work and don't jump out of gear (a floppy gear change is normal)
• Pull and push the bottom pulley wheel: if you feel a loud 'clunk clunk' the engine needs a rebuild. Very small movement is OK

Other things to look out for...

• Inoperative heaters and controls - requiring new heat exchangers,
• Smell of petrol inside the vehicle usually means rubber pipes need replacing
• Tanks can also rust through where they come in contact with more rust
• Steering should be direct with hardly any play. If not check the steering box Get repairs advice from...
• Any experienced VW camper repair shop that's been there for more than 5 years
• Inspect a car they've restored or get a customer reference

Get spare parts from...

• eBay, www.justkampers.co.uk and www.vwhertitage.com
• Alan Schofield for most body panels.
• VW Motoring magazine for other leads

Prices you can expect to pay for a Bay (1967 onwards)...

• Totally original and unrestored with MOT £5000 - £15,000
• You can still buy new Bays built in Mexico, vans (c £10000), minibuses (c £13,000) or campers (c £30,000) - see VW Motoring or Volks World for prices
• Restored with MOT £5000 - £15000 (Watch out for hidden patched over horrors)
• MOT'd but needing work £2000 - £6000
• A 'basket case' £1000 - £2000

Reasons why you shouldn't buy one...

• Because it looks cool or restored but you haven't looked underneath and don't want to constantly maintain it
• It has a six volt system when you want reliability, though conversion to 12 volts is easier than people realise see www.nls.net/mp/volks/
• You think it will be fast and/or economical

When buying any camper look out for...

• Rust, particularly on the bottom 6 inches all around...
• Rust on chassis box sections
• On front and rear outriggers
• On roof guttering, sills, wheel arches
• On floors in front of the rear wheels
• Behind front seats
• Under cover plates which can hide a horror story of trapped moisture and rust

Be careful of campers with suspension lowered to make them look cool...

• The ride can be harsh
• Visibility is reduced
• You can't crawl underneath to do repairs

Check the engine carefully...

• Oil leaks near the gearbox flange usually mean an 'engine out' job
• In gearboxes listen for bearing whines
• Check all gears work and don't jump out of gear (a floppy gear change is normal)
• Pull and push the bottom pulley wheel: if you feel a loud 'clunk clunk' the engine needs a rebuild. Very small movement is OK

Other things to look out for...

• Inoperative heaters and controls - requiring new heat exchangers,
• Smell of petrol inside the vehicle usually means rubber pipes need replacing
• Tanks can also rust through where they come in contact with more rust
• Steering should be direct with hardly any play. If not check the steering box Get repairs advice from...
• Any experienced VW camper repair shop that's been there for more than 5 years
• Inspect a car they've restored or get a customer reference

Get spare parts from...

• eBay, www.justkampers.co.uk and www.vwhertitage.com
• Alan Schofield for most body panels.
• VW Motoring magazine for other leads

Prices you can expect to pay for a Split (pre-1967)...

• Totally original and unrestored with MOT £9000 - £25,000
• Restored with MOT £8000 - £20,000 (Watch out for hidden patched over horrors)
• MOT'd but needing work £5000 - £8000
• A 'basket case' £1500 - £2500

Prices you can expect to pay for a Bay (1967 onwards)...

• Totally original and unrestored with MOT £5000 - £15,000
• You can still buy new Bays built in Mexico, vans (c £10000), minibuses (c £13,000) or campers (c £30,000) - see VW Motoring or Volks World for prices
• Restored with MOT £5000 - £15000 (Watch out for hidden patched over horrors)
• MOT'd but needing work £2000 - £6000
• A 'basket case' £1000 - £2000

Reasons why you shouldn't buy one...

• Because it looks cool or restored but you haven't looked underneath and don't want to constantly maintain it
• It has a six volt system when you want reliability, though conversion to 12 volts is easier than people realise see www.nls.net/mp/volks/
• You think it will be fast and/or economical

Differences between Split Screen and Bay Window Campers

The post-67 Bay Window camper vans have many improvements including...

• Larger and higher bay window
• 12 volt electrics
• Improved suspension and handling
• From 1972 the type 4 1700-2000cc engines provide more power
• Some models had servo brakes

If you're set on a pre-67 Split Screen camper go for it but...

• Expect to put up with the quirks and limitations of a 40+ year old vehicle including...
• 6 volt electrics
• Weaker 1200-1500cc engines
• Smaller and lower split windscreen

This page is about buying a camper van.  There are other pages dedicated to buying a VW camper van, and also buying a panel van for a camper van conversion.

Buying a camper van should be the start of a wonderful exploring experience with your new vehicle.  I've compiled this guide to help you get the most for your money and to avoid the pitfalls that can arise when buying a used vehicle.

Disclaimer: This guide is designed to help you, but whatever you do is ultimately your choice and decision.  I will not take any responsibility for any purchase you may make.  I also cannot offer individual advice on vehicles.  Take your time, and have fun!

The most important things!

Here are the absolute essentials on buying any used vehicle.

1. Set your budget - Set a total budget for your purchase.  When you look at a potential purchase you need to factor in any repairs or alterations.  Also include prices for tax and insurance.
2. Only buy if you are absolutely sure.  Don't buy a vehicle unless you are absolutely sure it is right for you, and the vehicle is sound.  If you have any doubts don't buy the vehicle.  You can always get someone else's advice before making a purchase, including a professional mechanic.

Buying Privately

If you know what you are doing you can find bargains by buying privately. 

1. Check the sellers credentials.  Always view the vehicle at the sellers house.  Check the address on the log book is where the vehicle is.
2. Keep the original advert.  The vehicle must be as legally described.  If you later find that it isn't, approach the seller, or the police.
3. Take a witness to oversee the purchase in case the van later proves faulty.
4. Always check the details of the vehicle against the log book, especially the chassis number and engine number.
5. Check the vehicles history.  There any many services that check the police and insurance database to check for outstanding HP payments, crashes and thefts.
6. Inspect the vehicle well.  If you are not mechanically minded then consider getting the van inspected buy a professional.  In the UK, the AA offer a 1 hour inspection and road test, and a full inspection with history check.  The cost depends on the size of the vehicle, but expect to pay between £145 and £249. 

Buying From a Dealer

At most camper van and motorhome dealers you'll be able to find a selection of used and new vehicles in one place.  They are a great place to take a look around at the types of models available and the typical prices.  Buying from a dealer is always more expensive than buying privately, but, you'll get peace of mind as the dealer has a duty to tell you of any problems and the cost of rectifying them.  Typically dealers will fix and problems with the vehicles, and often they'll include an up-to-date MOT or roadworthy certificate.  Most dealers offer at least a few months of warranty, typically 3 months.  So if anything major, such as the engine blowing up, happens within this period, the dealer will fix this for you.

If you are going to buy from a dealer visit as many as you can to determine which seems to offer the best value for money, and which have the best selection for your price range.

Buying a Camper Van on eBay

As strange as it may sound, eBay (eBay.co.uk and eBay.com) is a great place to find camper vans for sale.  You can easily find vehicles in your area (be specifying a search area from your home, e.g. 50 miles) and a price.  Most listed vehicles have lots of photos and information, way more than you'll find in a newspaper or vehicle publication.  You can also ask the seller any questions you may have about the vehicle.

Here are the important things.

1. You are bidding to buy - not to test drive.  Once you make a bid you might win the vehicle and you cannot back out (within the last 24 hours of the auction anyway).
2. ALWAYS test drive the vehicle before you bid.  Contact the seller and arrange a meeting.  Check everything about the vehicle and test drive it.
3. Bid wisely - Once you have driven the vehicle, set a price that you think it is worth.  Go to eBay, make your bid and wait.  Do not get caught up in a bidding war with other people and pay too much for the vehicle.
4. Paying with PayPal can offer you some protection.

Buying at a Motor Auction

Traditional motor auctions offer a chance to get a vehicle at a bargain, the lowest price in fact.  But it also carries the greatest risk.  Remember most vehicles being sold at a motor auction are there because there are in an unsellable/unusable state (which should be avoided) or because the owner wants to get rid of it quickly (which can be a bargain).  Stick to these rules and you might find yourself a bargain.

1. Find and decide on the vehicle you want - walk around the holding area and find the vehicles that suit what you want.  Stick to these only.
2. Check the details, which will be posted on the windscreen carefully.
3. Look around the vehicle, including the underside, and inside if possible.  This is your only chance to take a good look around whilst the vehicle is stationary.
4. Wait by the vehicle until it is started to be driven into the auction.  This will be your only chance to hear it running.  Check for smoke and steam from the exhaust.  Check for any unhealthy noises.  Does it drive striaght?
5. Decide on a price for the vehicle, and do not bid over.  You could find yourself in a bidding war and pay too much for it.
6. Remember that most auctions required extra fees to be paid on top of the end auction price.  Always keep these in mind.

Things to Check

No matter where you buy your camper van from, you need to inspect and check the same things before making a purchase.  Not doing so, and later finding problems can lead to expensive repair bills, and might even mean your vehicle is not usable.

If you are not mechanically minded find a friend who is, or us a service such as the AA that will inspect the vehicle for you.

Engines

Engines are complicated and difficult to check, and expensive to fix.  But here are the things you should check

• Check for unhealthy noises when the engine is running. 
• Oil leaks are generally a bad sign.  See where the vehicle has been parked and check the ground under the engine.  Look underneath and around the engine for signs of leaks,  A dusty engine bay, free of any oil slicks is a very good sign.
• The cam belt (or timing belt) is one of the most important parts of the engine.  It is also one of the most destructive when it breaks, and most expensive to repair.  Most engines need the timing belt changed every 60,000 miles.  Find the sticker on the engine that says when it was last changed, or find it in the service book. If it is due for renewal factor this into the price when you negotiate. Engines with timing chains (such as large Mercedes) typically don't need changing, which is good :)
• Check the radiator (in front of the engine).  It should be intact and looking healthy.  Old radiators start to fall apart at the bottom.
• Check for steam and smoke coming out of the exhaust.  Both are a bad sign.  Keep in mind though that diesel engines produce some smoke by design.
• Check the oil level on the dipstick.  If it is low it shows the owner has not cared for the engine, and it's probably a bad buy.
• Check for a blow head gasket -  A blown head gasket is expensive to fix.  There are ways of checking it.
  1. Take the oil filler cap off and look inside the engine head.  Signs of white residue suggest a blown head gasket.
  2. Take the oil dipstick out.  Signs of white residue suggest a blown head gasket.
  3. If when test driving the engine the water level in the radiator expansion tank has gone down a lot, there is a chance this water has gone into the engine, hence a blown head gasket.
  4. If lots of steam (rather than smoke) comes out of the exhaust when the engine is running, and warmed up, there is a chance the head gasket is blown.
• Check all of the hoses and pipes are clean.  Rubber hoses should not be cracked, and metal pipes should not be rusty.

Bodywork

Take the time to look over the whole vehicle to check for signs of rust.  This includes...

• Checking the roof - get step ladders if necessary
• Inside the wheel arches
• Underneath the edges of the floor. 
• All around each door, especially the hinges on panel vans.
• Rush is expensive to fix, especially in older vehicles such as VW camper vans.

Chassis

• Get underneath the vehicle and prob the chassis and underside with a strong stick.  If it crumbles or pits then there is some bad rust going on. 
• Check all around the wheel arches, which is a hot spot for moisture retention and rust. 
• Check the front and rear box sections of the vehicle for signs of an accident. 
• Whilst you are under there check the transmission...

Transmission

On a front-wheel vehicle (most modern vans) there is not much you can check, but..

• Check there are no oil leeks from the gearbox.  All gearboxes will seep a little oil over the years.  A light brown path covered in years of dust and dirt is ok.  A dark black patch dripping with oil is bad.
• When driving the vehicle go to a car park and turn the vehicle on full lock.  If there is a knocking sound the steering knuckle probably needs replacing.
• Check the CV joints are intact and not split

On rear-wheel drive vehicles (Big Mercedes, Iveco, some Ford Transits and just about anything with twin rear wheels...

• Check for leaks at the gearbox and the rear differential.
• Listen for the rear differential when driving, they are often neglected.  If noisy it needs oil.
• Get under and grab the prop-shaft.  If it is loose it needs new bearings, but this normally means a whole new drive shaft as it's a complete unit.

Hopefully this information will help you choose a great camper van.  Please leave your tips and buying experiences in the comments below.

There are always lots of vans for sale.  Try eBay (eBay.co.uk and eBay.com).

Vans For Sale on eBay

Here are my tips to selling your camper van, to ensure you sell it quickly and get a good price.

Preparing

• Clean everything - inside and out.  People will be turned off otherwise.
• Fix anything that is broken, or if you can't, highlight anything that is broken.
• Get together as much documentation as you can find.  This shows that you have cared for the vehicle.
• Top up the engine oil and water pots, as this shows you have maintained the vehicle.
• Get together as clearly show any accessories and tools you are including in the sale.  It makes it look like you have more on offer.

Honesty

• Highlight anything that is broken or does not work well.  How would you feel if you were the buyer?

Where to advertise

• In the window - Adverts in the window of the vehicle are one of the best ways to advertise it.  People can easily see they type of vehicle, and assume a piece of paper in the window means its for sale.  Always make the price really big writing, so that people can see it.  The words 'For Sale' only have to be tiny.  Always include as much information as possible, and your contact details.
• If you are not using the vehicle park it at a supermarket or at a busy road junction, where lots of people will pass it, see it and stop to look.
• Local paper - always a good choice.
• eBay - eBay.co.uk and eBay.com are great places to sell vehicle.  People often get caught up in bidding wars and pay more than they would normally.
• In our forums - lots of people look there.

Let us know about your selling tips and experiences in the comments below.

This page is about VW Camper Vans For Sale.  You might also be interested in Camper vans (non-vw) for sale, and vans for sale (for your own camper van conversion).

Places to buy VW Camper Vans

• eBay (eBay.co.uk or eBay.com) is a great place to find vehicles for sale, because you can see pictures and all of the details of the vehicles from the comfort of your computer.  Be sure to check the vehicle thoroughly before making a bid though.  See the guide to buying a used camper van.
• Try you local newspapers for people selling VW Camper Vans in your area.

VW Camper Vans for sale on eBay

This page is about camper vans for sale.  You might also be interested in VW Camper Vans For Sale, and vans for sale (for your own camper van conversion).

There are always lots of campervans for sale, but you'll find a bigger choice at a lower price at the end of the summer/autumn season, as people sell the vehicles they have enjoyed for the summer.  This is a great time to buy a vehicle as it gives you the winter to prepare the vehicle for your spring and summer use.

Where to find camper vans for sale

Depending where you live in the world, there are a number of different places to try and find used and new camper vans.

Everywhere

• Your local paper - the motors section of your local paper is a good place to check for user camper vans.  Read the guide to buying privately.

UK

• eBay.co.uk - it might seem strange, but eBay is a great place to buy a vehicle.  Most have lots of pictures and information, so you can check it out and have a good thiking without leaving the comfort of your computer.  But, there are things to be aware of when buying online, so check the guide to buying vehicles on eBay before bidding.
• autotrader.co.uk - the magazine and website have lots of vehicles. 
• gumtree.com - popular nationwide community website (originally London).  Lots of vehicles from travellers returning from tips.  Can have bargains, but check vehicles carefully.

USA

• eBay.com - it might seem strange, but eBay is a great place to buy a vehicle. 
  Most have lots of pictures and information, so you can check it out and
  have a good thiking without leaving the comfort of your computer.  But,
  there are things to be aware of when buying online, so check the guide to buying vehicles on eBay before bidding.

Camper Vans For Sale on eBay

Here are some camper vans currently for sale on eBay UK.

Buying a camper van should be the start of a new and exciting experience.  But, there are things to be aware of when buying a used or new camper van.  See the guide to buying a camper van.

If you're selling your camper can there are a number of things you can do to get the right price for your vehicle, and ensure the new owners have the best experience they can. See the guide to selling a camper van.